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yes well as we get older and older room

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you can't live forever and so if this

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precedes you I'm going to have to clean

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the blood doesn't work then I've got

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probably a few more months to make it

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before my kidneys shut down so that's

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kind of why I'm kind of going along with

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they interview it this time you're

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seeing that what you went through is

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just too important for people not to

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know about yeah yeah can you just let

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can we start at the beginning with your

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military career and just walk through

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what exactly your experiences were was

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in the drafting as a military and got

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into the US Army after that I was sent

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to the signal training center syan

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eastern United States what year would

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this big 58 I went through the signal

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training course and at that time I went

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through the radio teletype course and

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also the cryptography course crypto they

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had five instructors that were getting

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out of military service so they pull the

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top five students and I was third in

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class so I got pulled as an instructor

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now were you at this time also working

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yet for CIA no not yet no after one day

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my boss came to me and he said how would

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you like to you know make some extra

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money

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I said all money is good so he's

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explained to me that I could he could

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put a sir like what I have to get a top

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secret White House kill clearance for

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the job you know and I thought boy must

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be a pretty exclusive thing yeah and I

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said well what is this and he said that

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I'm director for the CIA for eastern

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United States and I said oh I didn't

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know that and he said you weren't

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supposed to after about six weeks my

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security clearance came through and I

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got my CIA card it was an ID card like a

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credit card where I could just go up to

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the door and slice it walk right in in

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my name at that time I used a artificial

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name - never used my real name I started

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working with him on the project he was

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on and there was a project Bluebook

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which was kind of partially a fraud

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figure think some of the Blue Book cases

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were we're completely fictitious yes but

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the cases that we got came from I think

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it was Fort Belleville Marilyn mmm Fort

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Belvoir yeah and it didn't come from the

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Pentagon or didn't come from CIA

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headquarters but we would get reports

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about a certain sighting at the head--it

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Mexico or Italy or something like that

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and then we would have to we had people

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that would follow through on it then I

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go out and interview the people to see

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if they were not cases

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or if it was real they'd be going

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overseas frequently I I wasn't but I

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always stayed stay wise but the people

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we had working with us the CIA would do

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that we would get like a new report

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probably a couple times a week I was

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coming into the army fresh off the farm

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you know so I really didn't much

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knowledge of anything but my boss fill

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me in on Project Blue Book and what they

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had found so far as far as greys and

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aliens and the Roswell incident how did

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you feel when this first got dumped on

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you you firstly held ago I was just kind

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of overwhelmed with all of this you know

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I said to him I don't know if I'm gonna

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be able to be a judge of this type of

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thing what's real what's not when I

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don't have much knowledge of it you know

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so what did he say he said well have to

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build it information here's we go and

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you'll see how this thing is working out

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and then the other thing is of course

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you really weren't able to tell family

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or for close friends obviously I

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couldn't tell anybody

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fact I had to take a vow that I wouldn't

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tell anybody

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a lot of it for 40 years and more of it

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for 50 years which is up in 2010 you're

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doing all this crypto work you're

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looking at images photographs video it's

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1958 maybe the fall of 58 what happened

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after this at that time the Project Blue

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Book thing kind of went pot yeah if you

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remember back in those days

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they kind of declared it here's a

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nothing you know hmm right and they were

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telling the world all UFOs are

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misidentifications hoaxes yes

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psychological issues whatever yes yeah

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so my boss came to me and he says we've

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both got a new assignment he said well I

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said where we're going

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oh he says were going to the Capitol I'm

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gonna be part of the eyes an hour

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Porsche is trying to find out something

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about all about these aliens that mj-12

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was supposed to find out but never did

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never send back reports to him mj-12 the

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UFO control group were they calling it

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mj-12 at that time yes they called us in

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went into the Oval Office and isin't

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President Eisenhower was there in Nixon

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and they said we called the people in

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from mj-12

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from area 51 and s4 but they told us

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that the government had no jurisdiction

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over what they were doing so being a

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general past general you didn't tell him

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to go to hell without any real good

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reason yeah so he said huh I want you

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and your boss to fly out there I want to

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give a personal message he says I want

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you to tell them whoever's in charge

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tell them that to kiddin they have this

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week coming week to get into Washington

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and to report to me and if they don't

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I'm gonna get the first army

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from Colorado and we're gonna go over

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well take the bass over I don't care

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what kind of classified material you got

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we're gonna rip this thing apart

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Eisenhower was going to invade yes

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area 51 yeah with the first term so you

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go out with your super superior yes you

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fly out you land what happens can you

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describe this whole process what you saw

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hey took us the 13 or 15 miles south to

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s4 head like different garage door

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openings and in these garage door opens

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they had like different sauce for crafts

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the very first one had uh the Roswell

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craft and it was kind of crashed up but

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apparently every alien that was in a

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diet except for a couple see see the

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Roswell craft and what are some of the

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others that you think well the Roswell

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craft was really strange cuz it looked

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like real heavy aluminum foil this would

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rock next to it and you can rock the

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whole thing probably weighed 150 300

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pounds could they tell what the source

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of power was of his craft yeah it was a

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like a river's gravitational thing to

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some kind in fact one later on I got I

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got the the mathematical code for

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Ackerson gravity in a three by five card

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I guess there are different types of

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Gray's and so on how did you see that

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evidence well at the later on

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it is four we viewed the autopsy film

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and then the colonel said what we've got

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in here is we're interviewing hey gray

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alien alright right there how did you

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feel at that moment

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well I thought boy we had no idea we

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were gonna see the real thing all we saw

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was film he had have a little bit of

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heart racing yeah that moment my boss

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was able to go in and add up like a

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partial interview so what if this grey

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alien looked like could you describe him

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a little bit this one looked a little

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bit oriental so I'm just wondering if if

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it looked almost human what about this

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didn't look human no it didn't look

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human as far as a skin tone and

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basically the shape of it and the size

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how was its head size compared with a

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normal human for example huh brain was

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kind of a little bit bigger and some AMA

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nose was very very small any ears were

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just like holes mouth was very small now

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why were they bringing you out here at

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all anyway to see an alien what was the

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point to go back and tell the prison

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they actually had one so he did not know

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at this point if there was an alien at

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us for know what did you do that at area

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were you done or did you have other

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things to do yes to basically whoever

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kind of done went back area 51 mmm

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they took us into the main building and

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then we saw a u2 which of course we did

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know existed

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and he a model of the sr-71 the

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Blackbird so but like I mentioned

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earlier was not a model of current black

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fur early but the earlier version put an

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early version did you go directly to

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Washington after this where does he go

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somewhere how did they get did you fly

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regular airline or we flew back to the

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commuter plane back to the airbase and

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then took President Eisenhower's

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Lockheed Electra back to Washington you

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and your supervisor here superior

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officer and now your meeting with the

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president yes can you describe this well

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we met with him in boy the second story

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of the old OSS warehouse building and

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huh eyes nohrin Nixon were there and

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also who was there so he asked us what

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was going on and we told him about the

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alien whole situation and the black

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projects and so on and it was just

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totally shocked he appeared for the

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first time to be worried mm-hmm you know

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like he was worried I would think that

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Eisenhower would I mean he certainly

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knew that flying saucers were real yeah

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knew that there were aliens so I guess

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I'm just wondering what would he have

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been you know really surprised about huh

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surprised about the black programs eyes

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never said gotta keep this thing

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completely secret you know can't talk

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about this your actual name is I mean

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the names you grew up with that was a

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different

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than we have had in the never never used

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it in the CIA at all

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now what about today you're going on the

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public record and this is still

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sensitive information even though

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earlier you talked about you know

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security oath set maybe expire after a

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certain period of time years but you're

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still concerned when the mole novels

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phone call her phone was tapped and they

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got my phone number and through the

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telephone company table to find me and

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so on when they found you what happened

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I was going to a grocery store two guys

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in a black suits come out of a black

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Lincoln town car and came over to see me

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mm-hmm and it told me that I'd better

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not publish anything or talk to Linda

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about any more things so at that time I

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did you know I did I stopped that was

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enough to intimidate you yes rather

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remain anonymous never show my face on

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anything really thank you for doing this

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yes this was I guess kind of a good idea

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because I feel much better having talked

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about it I kind of feel like this load

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off my shoulders really because I love a

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lot of Secrets that I had kept over the

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years